tunnel diode chat record

Dec 3, 9:09(1) I visited circuitfantasiastories.blogsp…. I only saw an empty web page. Perhaps you forgot to click the “publish” button at the very top right corner.(2) About Bob Duhamel’s white board and marker. Well, if you browse MIT’s very recent youtube lectures, they are using black board and white chalk. But everybody thinks it is OK. Perhaps I should not say you technology is outdated. It is only the symbols and current flow and voltage potential/polarity which is unconventional or out of date.(3) I noticed you already have your domain name “circuit-fantasia.com”. Then you can open 100 “accounts” or blogger sites such as “mystories.circuit-fantasia.com“. But if are not using their brand name “blogspot.com”, they might charge you a fee. Cheers.  1 hour later… Circuit fantasistDec 3, 10:40TL Fong, I have created 5 empty (for now) “blogs”… I want to create more (e.g., wikibooksstories……..) but it does not allow me anymore… Circuit fantasist5497Dec 3, 10:50What is not OK with my way of graphical presentation? The only different things are the meaningful letters “D” and “T” that I use to designate diodes and transistors instead the meaningless “Q”…… My circuit diagrams are conceptual; their role is to show the basic idea behind the circuit… not how to implement a specific solution. Voltage bars and current loops are my specific tools visualizing the invisible electrical quantities voltage and current. Should I explain all this to you? I think I should if you were Olin… tlfong014896Well, I would suggest you to test the waters by messing around just one blogger site first. Often free site won’t let you be overambitious to start with too many things at the beginning. I checked my record and found that I open a couple of sites some time in 2008, and then stopped when I heard Google discontinued there services such as Google+, Google hangout etc.These couple of years I just wandered in a couple of sites such as All About Circuits, Rpi.org.forum, and only recently Rpi SE, EE SE, Robotics SE etc. It is only a couple of days ago I reopened my google blogger site, but found they changed their user interface a lot, so I need sometime to catch up. I also joined other Chinese forums on and off these years, but too lazy to do maintenance, … Circuit fantasistcircuit-fantasia.com is the domain of my site that I create in 2002. I pay $ 50 each year for Seanic’s hosting and domain. But I don’t see the connection between it and this blog. Do you mean it?(domain name) tlfong014896@Circuitfantasist As I said, then you can have something like mystories.circuit-fantasia.com, “negative-resistance.circuit-fantasis.com, etc, if you are still paying USD50 a year.@Circuitfantasist I understand you saying that “My circuit diagrams are conceptual“, but there is big problem, you strange notation are chasing away the readers. Now it is the Tik Tok Generation, nobody would bear with you more than 15 seconds to first listen to you the introduction to your strange notation.Perhaps you can upload an introduction to your strange notation as a Blogger blog and I will comment there to suggest how to pull you chased away audience back, perhaps using Circuit-Lab schematic drawing, with colour coded arrows, to denote current flow and voltage polarity/drops. Ah, I missed my tea. See you later. Circuit fantasist5497Dec 3, 11:25I still can’t understand what is my “strange notation”. What you are talking about? Voltage bars (the “red lines” as Olin contemptuously said in his only comment below my articles) and current loops? If so, yes… it is strange since it is something original. Every new idea is strange for the conventionally thinking (or simply “non-thinking”) people… I do not want to use “arrows”; I want to use exactly bars and loops… tlfong014896Dec 3, 12:10@Circuitfantasist Yes, I agree that you CAN use innovative bars and loops. But I think you SHOULD, at least for now, use traditional representation if you don’t wish to chase away your audience. As I said earlier in CD, I have no problem understanding you strange notation, it all boils down to physics, and then mathematics, and then philosophy. I rembember I mention Emma Noether in the beginning of this chat.I have cut the pictures uploaded here, and I am going to move them to tunnediode.blogspot.com. I suggest we carry on our discussion there. tlfong01Dec 3, 12:24@Circuitfantasist I have post something to begin our discussion on circuit analysis and synthesis: tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/… You might also like to post something at you circuit story in you blogger site.Ah lunch time. See you later. tlfong014896Dec 3, 12:46I am googling more tools to design the tunnel diode oscillator. I have little idea what inductors and resistance to use to oscillate the tunnel diode. I am reading an I2C impedance converter datasheet to get some idea:
tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/…. I am thinking that the tunnel diode with external inductance is sort of RL impedance. Sot this converter chip might be useful in the oscillator design or measurement. I dont quite understand the DFT operation. So experimenting with the real DSP chip might help understanding better.(see full text)  8 hours later… Circuit fantasistDec 3, 20:26I am temporarily stopping because I need to get organized …  1 hour later… tlfong014896Dec 3, 21:46No problem. As I said, take you time. It is a long project. I might take as least two weeks to sort out the PCA8951 ADC DC sweep sig gen, and Rpi CM4 setup. I learnt the tortoise and rabbit race story. My grandmother always tells me “If you want to go too fast, you won’t arrive”. As I told you, I started my couple of Blogger sites in 2008 .And on and off, I messed around with perhaps 10 more other blog sites. So you might might need perhaps at least a couple of weeks to catch up. Have a nice weekend. Cheers.  4 hours later… Circuit fantasistDec 4, 2:09OK, I wrote an introductory post to the blog…  8 hours later… tlfong01Dec 4, 10:24Take your time, my friend! “The Mythical Man-Month, Essays on Software Engineering” – Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…  4 hours later… tlfong014896Dec 4, 13:58You said earlier you need to get organized. So let me share my experience. I usually say that I am using a muddling approach, or in software engineering terms “Prototyping” or “Agile”. All these years I have been reminding myself of F Brooks:The Mythical ManMonth – Fredrick Brrpks

Chapter 11 Plan to Throw One Away

1. There is nothing in this world constant but inconstancy. – SWIFT

2. It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all try – FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

3. The Only Constancy Is Change Itself, Plan the Organization for Change, Plan the Organization for Change, – FREDRICK BRROKS.  4 hours later… Circuit fantasist5497Dec 4, 18:15A lot of wisdom… I have finally realized that I need a blog… and that the chronological order of posts is not so bad… My idea is to use the blog as a common place for my materials (past, present and future). I will accompany them with additional info how they are created… and the circumstances around them. It is going to be an interesting activity…  1 day later… tlfong01Dec 5, 20:34There are other possibilities. such as: (1) When you have finished a project, you can write a final project report blog that links up all the old blogs, with a contents, body, and appendices page, (2) save the report blog to pinterest or pateron, … Circuit fantasist5497Exactly… Maybe I will create a page with internal links pointing to posts and place a button on the home page to it… as some navigation… Only, the “project” will never finish…BTW I have inserted some comments to your tunnel diode blog but it is very difficult to navigate between the posts … Circuit fantasistDec 5, 20:57I am not sure if you understood my great idea to regularly place next my (old, present or future) material and to tell in the intro how it was born, how it was accepted, what was its fate, etc.  13 hours later… tlfong014896Dec 6, 9:40@Circuitfantasist Yes, so I often make a note to my answers in forums, saying something like the following: (1) My answer might get out of date soon, so I would try my best to make it a “live” answer, in the sense that whenever I see there is something new that make my answer no longer applicable, I will an update. Usually I will go back to my old answers and see if new Rpi version updates, say Rpi4 still works in my old answer for Rpi3.(2) Of I would update for my answers with old devices, say if I see PIC, Arduino answers cannot do thing by Rpi, STM23 etc, or 8 bit ADC MCP3008 should be considered by newbies for a new project using 10/12/16/24 bit ADC etc. Often I add a note saying,eg. “Thought I am explaining how to operate 8 bit MCP3008, I don’t want to mislead newbies that mcp3008 is the best. Actually it is the worse, … But usually the old school elites would become very angry and made my answers disappear ASAP.Often my answers are on new things which needs constant updating/editing. So I am editing my answer often, but then it is not welcome by newbies, because often then follow my suggestion and DIY a working project, but later they find I introduce any new, better, and cheaper device, … So I usually try ti make less edits, by reminding myself John Maynard Keynes saying “In the long run we are all dead”, cheers.@Circuitfantasist Yes, my Blogger posts are very organized. I tried to label them to make them easier to search and group. Another way is to set up a new blogger account, eg, AD5933 blog only for this device. This is why I originally in CD, asked the question, “How to plot the I-V curve?”, and even give all the details I have researched, the hardware setup, why I failed etc, so a the SO say, laser sharp focus on the problem, …Ah, morning tea time. See you later. Cheers.Ah, before I go, I forgot to suggest Quora: “What Is Quora & Why Should You Care?”
searchenginejournal.com/…. I often found easily high quality answers there, because they would briefly mentioned their academic qualifications and experience at the end of their answer, also in their profile.Ah I gorgot to give an example, a short answer in python: quora.com/….  3 hours later… tlfong014896Dec 6, 13:04This is an example of the Q&A about Tunnel Diode in Quora. The author gives a short answer in Quora and links a long article in his Blog. This is what I am considering doing:Short answer in EE SE Q&A, with a link to my blog’s long answer, which I am update/edit as often as I wish.Draw the i-v characteristics of tunnel diode and explain with proper energy diagram? – Himanshi Gupta, 2016dec12

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Tunnel Diode And Tunnelling Effect – Ajay Kumar, Analyse A Meter 2016mar14
analyseameter.com/2016/03/…  2 hours later… tlfong01Dec 6, 15:03An article on how to finish your blogger project: tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/…tlfong014896Dec 6, 15:15I am still read references on tunnel diode, and still not finalizing my question. I always remember SO/SE’s guideline on up/donm vot a question: ***This question shows research effort. It is useful and clear***” – SO/SE Upvote/Downnovt tip. So I am reading yet one more reference on tunnel, and I found this one very good:
tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/…tlfong01Dec 6, 15:56Now I have found the two articles by Hackaday’s Yapo best answer my question: “How to plot a tunnel diode’s I-V curve, especially in the NDR region?“. I would give 10/10 marks for Yapo, and -10 marks for ALL the fake, rubbish non answers in CD.  1 hour later… Circuit fantasist5497Dec 6, 17:05TL Fong, thanks for the valuable thoughts! I completely share them; I have been using some of them for a long time. But in SE EE I had problems quoting my materials because they qualified it as “self-promotion”…Last night I wrote a short answer to your question where I explained the behavior of the tunnel diode in a fun way. I hope you like it. I will make a copy in my blog too. Cheers!  3 hours later… Circuit fantasistDec 6, 20:03Here is the copy – circuitstories.blogspot.com/…tlfong01Dec 6, 20:33@Circuitfantasist Ah, about self promotion, you remind me one thing related to Olimex: (1) fongheart.blogspot.com/2013/…, (2) tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/…Question: I remember Olimex was established by some university academics in Bulgaria, but I forgot which University. Do you know which one? Circuit fantasistDec 6, 20:56Interesting… I have never heard about it… How could I have heard like me dealing with basic ideas from the 19th century and they with miracles from the 22nd:)?  15 hours later… tlfong014896Mon 12:13@Circuitfantasist Well, when I was 10, I heard about scientists in 1600’s doing experiments with frogs, using electricity as a signal to move the frog’s legs. Fast forward to 2010’s I was curious to know what is ECG. So I went to a hospital to do ECG, and later I had the opportunity to play with handheld and desktop ECG machines, so I spent some two hobbyist weeks learning how to do ECG.At that time, I google for ECG toys, and found a startup project called Bulgaria Olimex was selling cheapy EKG board, which I think it the first of its kind. I bought two Olimex ECG board and learned about how they design circuits using virtual ground using human right leg, and how to use low pass filters to eliminate high frequency noises, … , tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/…***  10 hours later… Circuit fantasist5497Mon 22:19TL Fong, I have no experience in ECG circuits but I know they are very sophisticated. But I would be happy to figure out the tricks used in them. Here is how I have explained, with a lot of imagination and intuition, the so-called right leg driven circuitAs you can see, the idea was rated with 0 reputations while the elite received a dozen of them for a dry and formal explanation… This is a good illustration of Einstein’s thought that I used as a motto at the top of my Wikipedia user page.  14 hours later… tlfong014896Tue 12:42Your right leg discussion is good. I found Scott Seidman'profile interesting:electronics.stackexchange.com/… Scott Seidman
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***Engineering Educator***, Biomedical Engineering, Bioinstrumentation, Embedded Systems, Medical Devices, Design tlfong014896Tue 13:07I noticed one difference between the EE SE answers and mine is that I focus on module level, or system integration problems, almost always never at lower op amp level. Take the ECG Q&A as an example, you see that I give a lot of references, and debugged demo programs, and real life example python programs.(1) Raspberry Pi 3B+ interface with Heart Monitor AD8232 using MCP3008 and SPI pins – Asked 1 year, 7 months ago, Viewed 4k times

(2) How can Rpi read the MAX30100 / MAX30102 Oximeter? Asked 7 months ago Active 1 month ago, Viewed 2k times
raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/…  9 hours later… tlfong014896Tue 22:14Now I have set up the I2C AD5933 module and found Rpi4B can detect it without any problem. Next step is to write a little python to measure the impedance.

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tlfong014896Tue 22:42About the right leg circuit, I remember the first article I read about the 10 lead ECG is based on the Einthoven Triangle – Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…. The very clever guy invented this triangle the late 1800’s, and got a Nobel prize in medicine. I remember I spent a couple of hours clarifying the basic things, and explain to a medi guy how the triangle works, and how to memorize the meaning of the names of the 10 leads. One thing I was very impressed is the following: The 12 leads are placed on the serface of the body, but what is interpreted is the h…(see full text)Ah bed time, call it a day, see you tomorrow.  18 hours later… Circuit fantasist5497Wed 17:00OK, you made me think again about the exotic right leg circuit… I needed time to remember the idea behind this odd arrangement. I will reorganize my answer there and will create a post here about it. Now I’m moving to the blog to reply to your interesting comments there. Maybe I will redraw the conceptual circuit diagram…  1 hour later… tlfong014896Wed 18:00Yes, I think both of us need to take a break and look back what we have been chatting so far. I agree that you might need to redraw you conceptual diagrams, with more descriptions on the test setup etc (Step 2 of my selfie walkthrough below). The Right Leg cct might take you a long time, because it was designed more than one hundred years ago, and some terms are inconsistent with today’s usage.I agree with you saying that my blog is getting very messy, and it is difficult to search things. So I have decided to make a summary in the new post:tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/….I have been randomly hopping here and there, diverting aimlessly. Now I think your “Transformer + hand knob pot + scope” is in Lancaster’s Elegantly Simple style and indeed elegant, but it is difficult to understand. So if you can explain it with your new enhanced conceptual diagram should help tunnel diodes newbies a lot. In the mean time I hope my use of the triangular wave would hopefully get the picture as by Tektronix (Step 7).(removed)Ha, supper time. See you later.  2 hours later… Circuit fantasistWed 19:57TL Fong, It is a pleasure for me to read what you have written. I agree with it. You come out right – the right leg circuit takes time. I played with it because I lost something in my understanding. Here’s how I try to imagine it geometrically – photos.app.goo.gl/…photos.app.goo.gl/….  9 hours later… Circuit fantasistThu 5:06TL Fong, I edited my answer to the question about the right leg driven circuit. It would be interesting to make some “discussion” there. Also, I will copy it in my blog…  4 hours later… tlfong01Thu 9:03Just a quick reply. Ah it would nice if you can copy it to your blog and I make comments there.  3 hours later… tlfong014896Thu 11:50As I said earlier, I am more interested in hobbyist style system integration, eg buying cheapy ECG modulde from Bulgaria Olimax, open source bio sensor board designed Analog Devices and other well known brands. Then I make workable devices for fun, or let the newbies know how me, the hobbyist developer follow the CMU research paper, use their recommended AD5399, make a real device helping disabled persons with bio sensors, and AI software, …I am not interested at all in low level at op amp ccts, otherwise I would invest tons of hours reading research papers like to following:

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  3 hours later… tlfong014896Thu 15:06I ma reading you following answer on Schmitt trigger oscillator, because I am thinking of using the oscillator’s trnanglur ouput to power the tunnel diode when drawing the I-V curve.

I found you description of the amplifier too difficult for me. So I went to AAC (All About Circuits) for help. I found AAC good for low IQ guys like me :): tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/…(see full text)Circuit fantasistThu 15:28OK, I ам startинг now my online lection… I will write to you later…  2 hours later… Circuit fantasistThu 17:30“am starting”:)TL Fong, I have a feeling that you have some fear of the elite:)? tlfong01Thu 17:47Ha, yes, the real elites in Physics.StackExchange trigger my inferiority complex. 😦  1 hour later… Circuit fantasistThu 18:52circuitstories.blogspot.com/…  4 hours later… tlfong01Thu 22:54Then I will listen to some inferiority complex healing music, or find some ***fake elites*** to beat them up. 🙂
youtube.com/…  4 hours later… Circuit fantasistFri 3:19nice material about ECG  8 hours later… tlfong014896Fri 11:30@Circuitfantasist Just now I skimmed my ECG project log and found the whole documentation file is about 350MB large. I am thinking of using AD5933 impedance tester to confirm some of my old experiment results. I quickly skimmed the basic stuff to refresh my memory. I usually recommend fellow hobbyists to start with this very good tutorial:INTRODUCTION_TO_ECG_INTERPRETATION_V8_0_July_2012
academia.edu/11339390/…tlfong01Fri 11:47You might find more updated ECG materials from this Q&A site:
Medical Sciences Stack Exchange ECG
medicalsciences.stackexchange…  5 hours later… tlfong014896Fri 16:56Your Lancaster Simple Element circuit design method works simple and elegant. I designed and wired the Schmitt trigger oscillator and it works without any debugging.

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The triangular wave is sharp and stable, much better than that much more complicated and unstable ICL8038 and NE555 circuits.Next step is to use this triangular wave voltage to power the tunnel diode and see if I can watch the electrons swimming through the tunnel. 🙂 Many thanks for your inspiring suggestion. Ah, jogging and supper time. See you later. Cheers.  2 hours later… Circuit fantasist5497Fri 18:52OK, this is a possible solution. In the Lancaster’s “elegant simplicity”, a neon lamp serves as 7414. You can see the general idea in many everyday situations. Now, you need my 90’s V-to-I module – a buffered inverting amplifier with a tunnel diode in the place of R1. I will publish a paper and post about it… also, about the “simplest IV curve tracer”…  23 hours later… tlfong014896yst 17:39I am still confused of the operation of a curve tracer (for a tunnel diode) I know the classical tracer is to show the I-V characteristic of a BJT transistor, using a scope. I think the curve tracer for a diode, including the tunnel diode, also needs a scope. The scope’s X-axis is voltage V, and Y-axis is current I.Now my very first I-V curve plotting experiment does NOT use any scope. I just vary the voltage source to the tunnel diode with a protecting, series current limiting resistor. I use a manual, two push button presses to adjust the voltage value. I use a DMM to measure the voltage across the diode, and another DMM to measure the current through the diode, and also through the resistor. After all the measurements, I use the Excel worksheet to plot the I vs V curve.The problem of using the above manual, adj PSU, and voltage and current DMM is that it is tedious to make the not too accurate DMM measurements. And it would be even more tedious to find the series/external resistance and inductance to avoid the switching/jumping over the NDR region, as described by the GE’s 1962 TD User Manual, in my BlogSpot post below.tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/….Ah, jogging and supper time! See you later. Cheers.  1 hour later… tlfong014896yst 19:10The pcf8951 DAC/ADC is only 8 bit resolution. So I am not sure I need higher resolution ADC, such as 10 bit MCP3008, 12 bit MCP3208, or even higher.

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  2 hours later… Circuit fantasistyst 21:04Okay, I’ll explain but I have to do something first and I suspect that when I’m done it will be time to go to bed there … tlfong01yst 21:20nothing urgent. You can do it in two weeks, which is what I need to sort all the ADC, DAC stuff. I just found two more old PCF8951 ADC/DAC’s in my junk box. Usually I need two or three same modules for swap testing or troubleshooting. Good night. Cheers.  5 hours later… Circuit fantasist2:16OK, I will comment in your blog – tunneldiode.blogspot.com/2020/….  2 hours later… Circuit fantasist4:22I have appended my comments in you blog also to my answer to your question in CD.  6 hours later… 

tlfong0148969:55@Circuitfantasist Your suggestions in my tunneldiode.blogspot.com are inspiring. Let me make some quick and dirty follow up replies.Your first suggestion summarized:

(1) “Let’s see what is the most important to measure the tunnel diode IV curve. IMO this is not the scope. You have to see that when increasing the voltage across the diode, the current through it decreases. …”Yes, I very much agree that the scope cannot measure the tunnel diode’s current and voltage characteristics, though it is very useful, to give a very vivid picture that the I-V curve has a mysterious gap (NDR or Twilight Zone) where the electrons. split itself into two parts, like the Schrodinger Cat, with one part jail breaking, disappearing into the Bermuda Triangle, and reappearing in the free world, …So let us forget the scope for a while and focus on how to do the I, V measurements using adj UPS, DMMs, opAmps (which I try to avoid for now, because my audiences are the U15 hobbyists in our local maker’s club) etc, …

Wow, your following story is amazing: “… I think the best way to measure and plot IV curves is based on a computer. Apple II was very suitable for this purpose with its graphic features. The monitor software had a function “plot a point” that could be used by an additional program written in Assembler. In this way, in the late 80s, a few students and I created MICROLAB system, …”/ continued from above: “… The AD periphery consisted of 12-bit DAC and ADC. Later, one of these capable students, created MICROLAB BASIC – an expansion to the embedded BASIC. It consisted of a set of assembler drivers called by commands like “IN”, “OUT”, “PLOT”, etc…”So your MicroLab’s (tunnel) diode I-V plotting equipment using Apple 2 and 12-bit ADC/DAC is 20 years ahead of my 64-bit Raspberry Pi and 8-bit DAC/ADC. For our non realtime project, Rpi’s 64-bit processing is not relevant, but 12 bit resolution might be just appropriate technology, while my 8-bit PCF8951 ADC/DAC might be too weak.Your zero resistance stuff is a bit too hard for a Sunday morning reading. Anyway, it is now tea time, So see you later. Cheers. 

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