Holes and electrons

Nature of conventional current flow in a p-n junction

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More specifically, I’m confused about the concept of hole diffusion. I can understand that electrons diffuse towards the p-type material. However, the concept of holes diffusing is a little bit strange.

When I think about the diffusion current that occurs in the depletion region, I imagine moving the electron from a donor atom in the n-type material, leaving behind a positively charged ion, to an acceptor atom, filling the hole associated with it and creating a negatively charged ion. The result is that the total charges in the diode are conserved, but a conduction electron and hole are annihilated. Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that the electrons “fill” the holes in the p-type material?

I suppose another way to ask this question is the following. Would it be accurate to say that positive current in a p-n junction involves hole movement in the p-side, but when it comes to the n-side, involves “movement” of positive charge by positive ions? I’m not sure that the absence of the extra electron at a donor atom is considered to be a “hole”, but it seems like from this level of analysis it could be viewed as one.pn-junctionshareedit  follow  flag asked 2 days agoelile15566 bronze badges

  • 1The positive ions are stuck in the silicon lattice, they do not move. – Elliot Alderson 2 days ago
  • Ah, I appreciate you confusion which I did experience when learning PN junction. I agree the following: (1) it is easy to understand that electrons move (or diffuse) from in one direction. (2) it is not logical to say that “holes” move in one direction, because (a) when we say an electron moves, we know it is the same electron that moves. (b) but when we say a hole moves, it is not the same hole that moves, but the “old hole” disappears, but a new hole is born . / to continue, … – tlfong01 2 days ago   
  • (c) to an outsider who cannot tell which hole from which hole, it is a bit cheating to say that the hole “moves”. You can see it as a figurative speech, but the thing is that if you see electrons and holes live on two side of a mirror, then all the theory and equations work beautifully, well, similar to positive and negative number arithmetic, using another figurative speech.. – tlfong01 2 days ago   
  • 1Yes confusing. It helps to draw yourself some pictures (or track down some animations.) Important: inside p-type silicon, each positive hole initially wanders away from its NEGATIVE-charged donor ion. So, the p-type silicon has overall zero net charge. P-type silicon is full of immobile negative donor ions, and movable positive silicon ions (the holes.). N-type silicon is the opposite of course. – wbeaty 2 days ago
  • 1Also, what are holes? Holes are “exposed” protons, or “un-canceled” protons. The un-doped silicon lattice is made of equal quantities of protons and electrons, so it has net zero charge. If a hole ever comes along, then one silicon atom now lacks its canceling electron, so its positive proton now becomes “exposed.” In other words, holes genuinely have a positive charge …yet when they move along, the proton doesn’t move with them. (It’s like the moving gaps in an Abacus. Imagine that each abacus-gap is full of positive charge!) Google define:abacus – wbeaty 2 days ago 
  • 1In addition to the above, it’s nice to see the Fermi diagram at the bottom of an answer I wrote here. Electrons “hop” from one covalent bond to another fairly easily in a p-material and that’s easier to see with that diagram. You could just go with the Bloch states at the Fermi surface and look only at the electrons. But then you have negative charges with negative mass. It’s easier to just say “positive charges with positive mass.” Which is what they do. – jonk 2 days ago 

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but when it comes to the n-side, involves “movement” of positive charge by positive ions?

Nope, for the most part, the positive ions in the n-side are the pos-charged dopant atoms, and those are locked into the crystal lattice.

It’s confusing because there are actually four ions involved, not just two.

First, in the p-doped silicon, the neutral dopant atoms don’t remain neutral. Instead, a “hole” is created by each dopant atom, and it moves away. This leaves the dopant atom with net negative charge. Yet the wandering “hole” is actually a positively-ionized silicon atom! At the same time, on average the entire hunk of p-type silicon has zero net-charge. After all, every positive-charged hole has a negative-charged dopant ion somewhere nearby. In other words, p-type silicon is actually made up of equal quantities of:

  1. fixed negative-charged dopant ions
  2. movable positive-charged silicon ions (the wandering “holes.”)

The n-type silicon is the opposite. The dopant atoms in n-type silicon will contribute wandering electrons. But when each electron initially leaves its dopant atom, that atom becomes a positive-charged ion. And, when the wandering electron is sitting upon some distant silicon atom, that atom temporarily becomes a negative silicon ion. So, n-type silicon is overall neutral, but is is composed of:

  1. fixed positive-charged dopant ions
  2. movable negative charged silicon ions (the mobile electrons.)

It gets worse!

Suppose that some holes wandered out of the p-side and invaded the n-type silicon? Thermal motion causes them to jump around randomly, and the random jumping can take them over into the n-side. They won’t last long over there, but while they’re briefly existing in the n-side, the holes are producing a region of positive net-charge! (After all, they no longer are near their negative-charged dopant atoms, which were all left behind in the p-type side.)

but when it comes to the n-side, involves “movement” of positive charge by positive ions?

YES! Because actually a “hole” is a positive-charged silicon ion …so if holes invade the n-side, electrically it’s just as if some pos-charged silicon atoms were invading. Yet the atoms themselves don’t have to move. Just their “ionization” is wandering around through the crystal. (Heh, but at the same time, the n-side is full of positive-charged dopant ions which cannot move. So, whenever n-type silicon is full of wandering holes, it actually contains two kinds of positive ions, but only one of them can move around.)


Important question: does p-type silicon have a positive charge? Nope, since p-type silicon is full of non-movable negative dopant ions. Their quantity is exactly the same as the quantity of wandering, positive-charged holes. P-type silicon is a conductor of course, and that means we can give it a positive net-charge by hooking it to the positive terminal of a power supply.shareedit  follow  flagedited 2 days agoanswered 2 days agowbeaty8,7731515 silver badges3333 bronze badgesadd a comment-1


The OP has the following confusion:

(1) I’m confused about the concept of hole diffusion, …

(2) Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that the electrons “fill” the holes in the p-type material?

(3) Would it be accurate to say that positive current in a p-n junction involves hole movement in the p-side, but when it comes to the n-side, involves “movement” of positive charge by positive ions, …


I think the root cause of confusion is the inaccurate use of the word “move”.

Let me use the musical chair game as a analogy, to explain to my 3 year old niece Jenny, how an empty space of a chair can “move”, though the chairs do not “move” themselves.

move 1

Part 1 – Accurate use of the word “move”

(a) Suppose in the beginning, the 8 chairs are occupied by 6 children, leaving 2 chairs say, blue and green empty.

(b) Now the teacher Simon says, “Everybody moves one chair to the right”.

(c) After much chaos, everybody indeed has moved to the right.

Now if I ask Jenny if she agrees that everybody has moved to the right, she would say yes.

Part 2 – Inaccurate use of the word “move”

Now if I then ask Jenny if the original empty chairs, blue and green, have moved to the left, she would say No, because the chairs cannot “move”.

Here comes the trick question for Jenny: “But have any empty spaces moved?” She would say, yes, two empty spaces have moved.

Now if I challenge Jenny, “I know a real thing, such as a child, can move, how come an “empty space” can also move?”

She would be annoyed an replied “Why not, of course a non real thing, such as an empty space, can also move. How stupid you!”

Part 3 – How come the semiconductor physicists use the word “move” inaccurately?


Well, the semiconductor physicist Simon Sze uses the “hole” in his book on Semiconductor Physics and Technology.

Stephen Hawkins is also very inaccurate in using the word “hole” in his Black Hole Theory.

/ to continue, comments welcome.

Discussion, Conclusion, and Recommendation

/ to continue, …


(1) Meaning is use: Wittgenstein on the limits of language – Timrayne, Philosophy For Change, 2014mar11

(2) p-n junction – Wikipedia

(3) PN Junction (Solar Cell and LED) YouTube Video – RED Inc Communication, 2014nov06, 135,696 views

(4) Semiconductor Devices Physics Technology, 2nd Ed – Simon Sze, Wiley 2002

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