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A: can Raspberry Pi work exactly like Arduino? uploding arduino codes into raspberry pi
tlfong01Question How to use Rpi to read AD8232 heart rate signal? How to use Arduino IDE to upload Arduino code to Rpi? Answer AD8232 ECG module outputs analog signal. Rpi does not have any analog to digital pin to entertain analog signals (I feel jealous that Arduino has many bu…
goldilocks
goldilocks
“Rpi has its own IDE which is called Raspbian.” == Incorrect and misleading.

tlfong01
tlfong01
@goldilocks Ah let me see. (1) Raspbian is an variant of Linux. (2) Linux is an OS. (3) An OS is not IDE. (4) Therefore Raspbian is not an IDE. So if I say Rpi has an IDE called Raspbian is nonsense. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Let me see how should I correct my mistake with an errata and apology in my answer.

goldilocks
goldilocks
I understand that you perhaps meant that figuratively (‘Your “IDE” will be Raspbian…’), but someone asking this question could easily take that literally leading to pointless confusion. So anyone who shows up asking about the “Raspbian IDE” I will send your way 😉

tlfong01
tlfong01
Haha. I agree. If someone asks what is OS? I would casually reply “Ah, just a big set of system utilities”. If someone asks what is IDE? I would say: “Ah, just a compiler with a small set of tools”. So I can say: “Ah, Rpi have many OS’s, and each OS has many IDEs, eg python, Arduino. Of course I would be in big trouble causing total confusion.

I think what is correct or misleading depends on “common ground” and “context”.

As Lady Ada says: “OK, I know, our Rpi compatible USB/TTL cable is actually not TTL technology, but CMOS, and not standard 5V TTL logic, but Rpi 3V3 logic, …

About “Common Ground” problem – I think Stephen Hawkin is incorrect and misleading in saying that the Black Hole is a hole, and the hole is black. His says so because there is no common ground between mathematicians and ordinary guys, so he lowers his ground so that both grounds level. Yes, I agree what you say that, I might be using figurative speech for OS and IDE, but the underlying reason is to fix the no common ground problem.

About the “Out of Context” problem – I think Issac Newton is incorrect and misleading when stating his 3 famous classic mechanical laws in physics, because he only knows about his classic mechanics world, ignorant about the quantum mechanics world which his laws don’t apply.

What I am trying to point out is the following. If someone says something in the context he implies, you can always say he is incorrect and misleading if you move out of his context, or in everyday language, you move the goal in during a football match.

About Ludwig Wittgenstein’s “Meaning of a Word is in its Use” problem. OP’s ECG question reminds me when I read the original ECG papers published some 100 or 200 years ago, I also read comments on those papers that those pioneers then did not understand much about electrostatics, so they say wrongly that EMF is a “Force”, which is incorrect and misleading, because static charge has no mechanical “force”, only electric “potential”. I actually once for a while, worked with a medical radiologists and practised 12 lead ECG. / to continue, …

I actually once for a while, worked with a medical radiologist and practised 12 lead ECG. The medical doctor/professor told me that my electronics engineering and pattern recognition theory about ECG applications is much higher than almost all the radiologists. I agreed without any shame. I also pointed out to him that many of the ECG terms and even concepts were actually incorrect and misleading.

To conclude, if ECG professionals save lives everyday, why bother them saying incorrect and misleading things?

goldilocks
goldilocks

Using a list of individual practices or wholesale conventions you believe are misleading (intentionally or otherwise) does not really provide moral or logical support for you doing it intentionally.

By analogy, producing a list of well known killers when on trial for murder is no form of defence. I also think you are feeding the “lack of common ground” problem, not remedying it.

BTW “black hole” makes sense to me 😉 I think you are being humorous a bit with this, esp. the bit about EMF not really being associated with “one of the four fundamental forces of nature”. Please don’t sign up to be a wikipedia editor, lol.

Meanwhile poor Sheegillshah may still be looking around for the “compile and run” button on the lxde taskbar.

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tlfong01
tlfong01
12:43 PM
@goldilocks Ah what is ” Sheegillshah”? Google does not tell me anything. Is it a disease or something?

About the EMF thing, I was serious.

And to level our grounds a bit, let me tell you more about myself. Ages ago I completed a master degree in semiconductor physics (Brunel) , and I was in first position in the final exam of the only one paper in semiconductor/quantum physics.

@goldilocks Years went by, I am still interested in physics, enjoying and excited reading about Higgs Particle, gravity wave, and God/Angel’s particle etc. A couple of months ago, I still blogged about my happy readings on EMF things about Oliver Heaviside, and other scientists I admire, .. (I shall give you the web link later).

@goldilocks I also have a degree in [Western] Philosophy and [Western] History. I still vividly remember the joy when reading what Ludwig Wittgenstein says about “The meaning of a word is in its use”. I also enjoyed learning the meaning of words (actually mathematics) when studying formal language and specification, using predicate calculus and data driven language Prolog.

@goldilocks Only a couple of months ago I played with NodeMCU Lua and found it very interesting, so I bought the eBook and happily reading it. Now I am writing python, but I am indeed writing Prolog data driven programming style (using python dictionary and Lua Table), based on the spirit Scheme I learnt from googling MIT Lisp/Sceme and Harvard Haskell, and doing OO without OO, but FP. Actually I am doing Agile without Agile tools, …

I am not trying to show off my academic qualifications, but as I said, to construct a common ground for more efficient and effective discussion or argument (philosophy by the way, is all about arguments, arguments, arguments, …)

@goldilocks And let me tell you more about my knowledge in OS and IDE. I started programming using IBM OS360 JCL, Algol60, APL, Simula67, Fortran 4 (77 not yet born!) , CDC6600 with IBM punching machine model 26 or 29 I forgot, yes, ICL at that time only had a few video terminals, …

In those days, OS books by Deitel and Siblershaz (I can never spell his name correctly) in unheard of, We used “System Programming” by JJ Donovan. I learnt system program and predicate calculus from Kowaski, who taught Chmosky’s language things, ah, I remember, “context sensitive” and “context insensitive” syntax and semantics.

After ICL with a master in computing, I went back to my city and started teaching in CU as a young assistant lecturer, and the subjects I taught were systems programming (actually operating systems in latter days terms) and programming languages. I still remember the test book I used was by Pratt, … I did write my own IDE utilities such as text editor using my favourite language Modula 2.

Fast forwarding a bit, I have been teaching computing and electronics engineering on and off, for decades. Before starting my second curve as a freelancer, my last position was Assnt Prof, in a Applied Computing Dept.

Ah, I forgot I need to build the ILI9341 touch LCD kernel this evening. So see you later.

tlfong01
tlfong01
1:31 PM
Before I forgot, some of my old blog posts on the engineers I admire.
Henry
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=224976&start=25#p1401807

Hartley
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=224976&start=50#p1403777

Heaviside
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=224976&start=75#p1404990

Zeno
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=224976&start=75#p1406594

Emmy Noether
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=230325&start=25#p1413515

Thevenin, Norton, Kirchhoff
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=230325#p1412175

Bernoulli
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1418101#p1419324

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goldilocks
goldilocks
3:16 PM
@tlfong01 That’s neat. My original degree is a double in English and Humanities; I intended to do philosophy but at my school the department was all anglo-analytic stuff (prop logic and Leibniz, etc) which I had no interest in then, but the people I liked (Nietzsche, Heidegger, Derrida) were taught by English and Humanities profs.

I just finished a CS course in artificial intelligence (loved deep neural nets!) where we had to learn prop/prep logic and Prolog. And lisp, which is what I mostly used. They are both interesting languages (although I can’t see using them for much myself).

Physics and math I am not strong in, although I did well in the minimum for my CS cert, a 200 level finite course. After learning derivatives for the DNN stuff I’ve started to read some books, I’d like to grasp calculus enough to grasp Newtonian stuff then quantum mechanics (which I am told is actually simpler math wise).

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goldilocks
goldilocks
4:27 PM
@tlfong01 The OP of the question in question.

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